Tuesday, January 13, 2009

BIAY- January 14

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  1. Luke 12: 10-
    "And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven."

    I take away from this verse that say, someone who is not saved, can be forgiven for speaking against God- because they can be saved ... but for the person who IS saved and speaks against God (I think of people who turn to the cults), therefore blaspheming the Holy Spirit, they would be turned over to reprobate and their sins will not be forgiven?

    Luke 12:11-12-
    "And when they bring you unto the synagogues, and unto magistrates, and powers, take ye no thought how or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall say:
    For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say. "

    I like this passage because it shows that NO, you do not need a special "class" or be taught how to witness to people, to be an effective witness, as long as you are open to the Holy Spirit and willing to be its vessel, ya know?

    Psalm 14:1-
    "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good."
    The scripture that appoints the basis for April Fool's Day ;o) (j/k)
    Don't tell me I'm the only one that thinks about that when I read this verse!!

  2. Luke 12
    6 Are not five sparrows sold for two copper coins? And not one of them is forgotten before God.
    7 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Do not fear therefore; you are of more value than many sparrows.

    Ahh, another one of those "God loves us so much" sections. I had my kids memorize this.

    I'm not sure I agree with you on verse 10 -- I just consider it confusing. I think the Bible is clear in lots of places on the nature of Salvation (from hell) and the forgiveness of sins -- I just have no idea what this particular verse is saying. It doesn't bother me because I figure that if it was a super important, life-or-death concept, God would have made it a lot more clear than that. (The only other places that I can think of where the Bible threatens to not forgive, is when we are unforgiving toward others).

    verse 21 "So is he who lays up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God." Lord, keep me from being this person!

    Genesis 21:21. Ishmael's wife was Egyptian. That means that his race is a combination of Abrahamic and Egyptian. I wonder here if Egypt is a repesentation of worldliness like it was in the story of Lot?

    Abraham stayed in the land of the philistines..." I don't think that Philistines are still identified as a nationality or race, are they? I was an Africa a few years back, they referred to Arabs as "Philistines". I thought it was interesting. Are Arabs considered semitic? I think they must be, since "Semitic" implies "in the line of Shem", who predated Abraham and his offspring by a good bit. Does anti-semitic then refer to against all "semites"? Just wondering (and rambling, goodness!)
    It really doesn't matter. without God, we're all rotten (Psalm 14).

  3. The passage I was thinking about concerning not being forgiven was in Romans-
    Romans 1:28
    "And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;" (reference) (passage context)

    I'm glad you mentioned Ishmael and race, you're going to need to help me in the upcoming chapters.

  4. Hmm... interesting -- I've never thought of the Romans passage (1:28 era) as meaning "not forgiveness". I always just thought it meant that God allowed you to suffer the natural consequences of your sins (here in this life, not necessarily for eternity). I.e, you make dumb choices, you degenerate in your sin (and usually get trapped in more bad choices and bad cycles, sometimes resulting even in physical death -- but not ultimately affecting whether or not you have eternal life (though certainly affecting the quality of that life via rewards and such).

  5. I learned of it to be as a reference towards the sin of homosexuality in specific, but sins in general as well. That we are only given so much time to repent of our sins before God turns us over to our sins for good. Though no one knows when "that time" will be, so it's urgent to be right with God "now" and not wait. If we never ask for forgiveness, we do not receive forgiveness. Otherwise, everyone would automatically be saved, kwim?

  6. Yes, absolutely -- we have to recognize our need for God. I thought you were mainly talking about people who were already Christians, who can still get trapped in sin, and suffer the natural consequences (in this life) of their sin, without losing their eternal life. That's all I was meaning -- not that everyone is automatically saved. I do think that God forgives beyond our confession (1 John 1:9 -- when we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from ALL unrighteousness) -- which is good, because there's a lot of sins I commit that I'm to immature or arrogant to notice. But when I confess the ones I know about, God cleans me completely, and I have that fellowship of a clear conscience before him.

    I think we're on the same page. (I like that you pointed out in the Romans passage that it encompasses all sins -- "disobedience to parents" and "unkindness" are in that same list of sins, aren't they?)